And action! That’s right… behind me and above
me is the original Twin Cities, Sodom and Gomorrah. Apparently, it was a
pretty wicked place. How wicked? Well let’s just say that
what happened in Gomorrah, stayed in Gomorrah. That is until God
got wind of it, so he sent two angels
to investigate. Now the angels went to the house of the one godly man
in town… Lot. And the townspeople
tried to rape them. Now Lot, not wanting his town
to get the reputation as the kind of place
that would rape angels, offered up to the mob his
own daughters to rape. And he was the good guy in town. Which brings me
to this question: If I ever had to swear an oath, why would I want to put my hand on the King James Bible? I think I could find more
morality in the Rick James Bible. God hates fags. The Constitution does not
grant to homosexuals the right to perform sodomy. – I’m a monk.
– A monk. Franciscan. What do you think
of homosexuality? Do you think that’s…
the Bible is against it. No, the Bible is not against it. The Bible’s not against
homosexuality? If you are born homosexual,
you are to stay there. – You have to be happy.
– But that’s what the Bible says? What the Bible means
to say, yeah. Oh, what the Bible means to say! Now that’s a good book. It preaches the
rock-solid truth. You are faggots! I don’t hate them.
God hates them. – Hey, Bill.
– How are you? Nice to meet you. Okay. Okay. So of course, the reason why
we’re here is because you’re… I guess we would say, ex-gay. You used to be gay and then you married someone
who used to be a lesbian. And you have three children, and
I guess the jury’s out on them. Okay, and would you say it’s
just like any other marriage of 14 years… you
never have sex? Oh, funny. Ha ha. Got that. I don’t classify myself
as ex-gay, you know? I’m a heterosexual guy who dealt with some homosexuality. Okay, so the people who
come here are people who are wanting to
do what you did. They want to reform their life
and lead a heterosexual life. But I will be honest with you. The
reality’s a lot of people come here and go right back into
whatever they came from. – Because they’re gay!
– I believe that it’s sin. Excuse me, but don’t you have it,
no pun intended, ass-backwards? Meaning? Meaning homosexuality is something that
occurs in nature. I was out bird watching,
but I’d rather watch you. Why don’t you come
over and get some? Man is who wrote the Bible. Nature made gay people. Nobody’s born gay. There’s
no scientific or… Really? Have you ever
met Little Richard? We can look at creation and
say, “What’s the normal order?” A man has a penis. A
woman has a vagina. Let’s just be blunt. There’s no scientific
data that proves that anyone is…
there’s no gay gene. And you also discovered
the gay gene? Yes. This is all coming from the
Bible which you believe… – Right.
– To be the word of God. – I do.
– All of the proscriptions against homosexuality come
from the Old Testament. Jesus never said a word
about homosexuality. And if it’s so important, why
didn’t he ever bring it up? We could pick lots
of little things that he didn’t
specifically talk about. – But this is a big thing.
– Let me stop this whole thing. You know, I’m not sure what
your documentary is about, but if it’s to basically
refute the word of God, then I’m not interested in
doing your interview, okay? – Well, l…
– I think that obviously you don’t have
the same relationship with Jesus Christ that I do. But what is your explanation for the
millions and millions of people around the world who are – leading homosexual lives…
– Well, it’s not millions. Have no interest in anyone
of the opposite sex? Are they all faking
just to piss off Jesus? They didn’t choose this.
They didn’t desire it. Right, they were born gay. No, they weren’t born that way. It’s because of the insecurity
within theirselves. It takes a lot of security to walk
out of the house with assless chaps. – They’re not happy, most of them.
– They’re called gay. They took the word. Some of them look
positively thrilled. No, they are people who
are really not complete in who they are as men or women. That’s a pretty big
judgment for a Christian. – It’s not a judgment.
– That’s not a judgment? That you are sitting here
telling these people who you don’t even know
that they’re incomplete because they’re not like you? I mean, it’s not the
people you suspect that are gay, that are gay. People like the
Reverend Ted Haggard… Moral purity is better
than immorality. Who kept meeting homosexual
prostitutes in a hotel room and having gay sex with speed. Evangelicals have the best
sex life of any other group. – Good Morning, Duane!
– But he wasn’t gay? I already answered that. I don’t believe that
anybody is gay. I don’t know, but honestly,
if I just saw you in a bar or something, I would say…
and don’t take this the wrong way… I would say, “Yeah, I
think that guy is gay.” You’re good looking.
You’re neat, you know. – You don’t look like me.
– Meaning? Meaning… – All right, thank you.
– Can I give you a hug? – Yes!
– I hug everybody, so can I give you a hug? – Thanks.
– Thank you very much. Hey, you didn’t have a
hard-on there, did you? Nope, sorry. Can’t do that. That was good, though.