-So, we’re going
to a Baptist church, and I’m actually
really surprised that I’ve never
been to one before because I really
love gospel music. I’m excited to learn, and hopefully I feel the spirit and we hear some great music, because I have no sense
of rhythm myself, so I can’t bring it. Let’s just go. Hi! -Hello there!
-Yeah! -Hey! Wow, you are
a good-looking couple. -Oh, wow. Thanks.
-Thanks, man. Thank you. -That’s really nice. Thank you.
-Yeah. -So, you’re the reverend
of the church. -Yeah, that’s right.
I’m the pastor, the reverend. -What is the difference? -Pastor is, like, the leader
of the congregation, a shepherd. A reverend is anyone
who’s been ordained. But you can use them all
interchangeably — minister, reverend, pastor. -Oh, okay.
So, I will call you Reverend Pastor
Minister Pickens. -Yes.
Yeah, that’s cool, yeah. -What does that make you?
-I’m the First Lady. -Yeah, we call her
the First Lady. -You’re the First Lady!
-Yeah. Isn’t that a cool title?
-Oh, wow! I got a lot
of questions about that. -Okay. Great. -So, I have to ask because you are the First Lady
of the church… -I am. -…what does that mean?
-The First Lady usually is the pastor’s wife
of a Baptist church. -I don’t know
what the difference is between a Baptist church and other Christian churches. -I think we all follow
the life of Christ, but in the Baptist tradition, the congregation
owns the church. So, the congregation votes
on what we do, if we’re gonna move here,
if we’re gonna purchase this, if we’re gonna have a pastor,
if we get a raise. The congregation
makes those decisions. -So, it’s all community-based.
-It is community-based. We also believe,
to be baptized, you have to confess
with your mouth and believe in your heart
that Jesus Christ is Lord, and we show that
by dipping into the water. So, some faiths sprinkle people. We dip and immerse
into the water. -Oh, so it’s like in the movies
where you wear the big robe and then you get dipped
into the… When I’m seeing
Baptist churches in movies and stuff, they’re primarily
African-American congregations. Is that true
for this congregation, and why is that? -This is an African-American
congregation, although we have members
who are not African-American. But, no,
Baptist churches are not. We have Baptist churches
of all ethnicities. -What do you think
the misconceptions are about Baptist churches? -Well,
there’s this misconception that we stay in church
really, really long. -How long are we talking? -You’re gonna
be here till tomorrow. No. I’m just joking.
-Okay. -You stay in church for 2 hours to 2 hours and 15 to 30 minutes. But anything less than 2 hours, I think Baptist people
will say was not church. -What is it about
the church service that makes it a 2-hour minimum? -Well, we like to sing.
We like to sing, and we’re waiting
for the spirit to come. When you come to church,
you have to have a spiritual experience. That’s what it’s about.
And we conjure that up with song and the Word and prayer. [music] God helped me [music] -That’s it.
You sound good, Zion Hill. [music] He helped me [music] [music] God [music] [music] God helped me [music] [music] When I couldn’t see my way [music] [music] He helped me [music] [music] Ooh [music] -How will I know when the spirit moves me, if it moves me? -Well, it’s
an individual thing, but during the church service,
somebody might say, “Amen,” somebody might dance, somebody might sing,
somebody might cry. It’s different things
for different people. -Different things
for different people, but you know when it happens. If it doesn’t happen for you
until later, do you have to stay
until it does? -I wish it was like that. I personally believe that if you
come into a spiritual experience and you don’t feel the spirit,
you didn’t bring it with you. -Oh. That’s, like,
a lot of pressure. I feel like there was an exam
I should have prepared for. -Right? Yeah, you have to come
with an open heart. You have to come
expecting to feel good. And I think if you live
like that at church and you live like that
in your life, those things
will happen for you. -Mother Jones, come, come, come.
I want you to meet Zach. -Nice to meet you.
-This is Zach. This is Mother Jones.
Mother Jones is the one who celebrated 95 years
this year. -95.
How did you celebrate? -With the Lord.
Who else? Ain’t nobody else. -Did the Lord
bake you a cake? -No, but he gave me
a cake of love. -That’s fantastic. How long have you been married? -Seven years.
-Seven years. -I’ve been married
seven years this month. -And did you always know
that you would marry a person, a man of God, if you will? -No way did I ever
want to marry a pastor. -Why do you say that? -Seth Pickens,
my husband, is a really funny guy, and I married him,
and he became a pastor. -What was it about him
that changed your mind? -Well, he’s really good-looking,
right? -Oh, yeah, he is.
-So, that helps. Yeah, yeah.
He’s pretty handsome. He’s very nice,
and he was kind. He was really responsible,
and he was a man of God. He loved God,
and he was passionate about it but not too serious
and restrictive. -I had a dog once. And it was there
when I moved in. It was there tied
to a fence. And I said,
“Man, that’s terrible. I love dogs.”
And I went to untie it. It started barking at me.
And its past experience had been that anytime somebody got close,
you better watch out. So, it became defensive.
I don’t know if you hear me today —
because people can be the same way. A lot of times, people need the warmth,
they need the love, but when you show them love, it’s so unusual to them,
they don’t know how to react! -Yeah! -I’m not calling anybody a dog. -[ Laughs ] -How does humor
play a role in faith? -You have to laugh
when you think about how people
practice faith, right? That’s kind of funny. -Now, what do you mean by that? -Well, I think religion
sometimes gets a really bad rap because of the people
who practice it. So, if you have
a lighthearted sense of humor, maybe you can just really appreciate God
in different ways. This is the couple
I told you who has been married
for 50 years. -We married here 50 years ago…
-You married here? -…at the church 50 years ago.
-Oh, wow! How do you keep things fresh
after 50 years? -Well, it’s easy.
Look at her. How can it not be fresh?
-Oh, wow! -You kidding me?
-I tell everybody I treat him like a king
and he treats me like a queen. -That’s right.
-And that’s the key. -That’s the key.
-You treat everybody the way you want to be treated. God made me perfect,
so I treat him perfect, and I treat myself
like God made me. -And whenever she wants
my opinion, she gives it to me. -That’s right.
-So, that works out just fine. -How have things changed
since Seth and Isis got here? -Oh, they’ve been wonderful.
-Oh, they have been fabulous. -They’ve brought
young people here. They’re filling up the church. Because it was an old church,
and it was a dying church. And they’ve revived — Young people
have revitalized the church. This beautiful woman
and her beautiful, fantastic husband
have revitalized this church. -Thank you.
-And I’m so grateful for what they’re doing here. -I heard that
you and your husband sort of — When you came here, you
shook things up a little bit. -Mm. A little bit.
-A little bit? A little bit? -A little bit, a little bit,
a little bit. -So, how did you do that? Did you come in
with a plan? And what did you do? -No.
I don’t think you can do that. I think you just have to be open to whatever you need,
whatever is out there. And I think that Seth
and myself — We believe that God
is love, right, and that that love is expressed
in many different forms. -Amen.
-Hug somebody. -The only thing
you have to do is love and love Jesus? -I think Jesus
is the example, right? So, Jesus came to show us
a greater way to love, and that’s to love
with your whole open heart. That’s loving people
who persecute you, loving people
who don’t understand you, or people who are
very different from you. It’s not as simple
as it sounds, right? “Just love! Ah!” -Yeah. “Just love everybody
all the time.” It seems simple.
-Yeah. Yes. -And then
when you try and do it, you meet some real — Well, you meet some real jerks
in this world, and it’s hard
to do it sometimes. -That’s right.
Well, that really is the faith. That’s what faith is to me. The faith is not believing
one certain thing. The faith is the walk.
It’s the walk. It’s getting to that point.
-I don’t know if the walk’s gonna work
out for me, but… -Or the roll.
It’s the roll. -And the roll!
It’s the roll. [ Indistinct singing ] [music] I will trust in the Lord [music] [music] I will trust in the Lord [music] [music] Until I die [music] [music] I will trust in the Lord [music] [music] I will trust in the Lord [music] [music] I will trust in the Lord [music] [music] Until I die [music] -So,
I didn’t get baptized today, but I am gonna have a drink
of water real quick ’cause it’s really hot
in this jacket. Ahh.
Spirit of refreshments.