America is Not a Christian Nation

America is Not a Christian Nation

It’s great to welcome back to the program
today. Andrew Sidell, who’s a civil rights and constitutional attorney with the freedom
yeah. From Religion Foundation where he serves as
the director of strategic response works to keep state and church separate. His new book
is the founding myth why Christian nationalism is UNAMERICAN. Andrew, so great to have you
back on. Thank you for having me on. It really is a pleasure. I appreciate it, David. So
we recently did a story which was called something like the founding fathers were progressive
and you should be too. And with, without getting into the sort of politics of it, there is
this idea of which was part of that story, uh, that uh, we did our best to debunk, which
is the idea that because all of the founding fathers were Christian, that there is either
some explicit or implicit reasoning behind saying the United States is fundamentally
a Christian nation. Now before we get to part two of that, the first question we have to
ask is we’re the founding fathers, actually Christian. What we’ve found is that while
they were mostly deists, they were not actually mostly Christian as is often described. But
my question to you is, does that even really matter in figuring out whether the United
States should have this sort of a motto or umbrella term of being a Christian nation?
Is the, is the religion of the founding fathers even relevant to that? My contention is that it is not, and this is the argument that
I tried to make in the founding myth. It’s a really interesting conversation and it’s
fascinating to delve into the beliefs of the founders. But when you’re talking about, well,
is this actually a Christian nation? It doesn’t matter. Uh, so if it, let’s say, let’s just
agree for a second, for the sake of argument that all the founders were these bible believing
Jesus rose from the dead Christians, you would still then have to connect those beliefs to
the founding of the United States. And just because somebody is religious, their religion
doesn’t claim ownership over every other idea that their mind generates. A, you know, for
instance, blue jeans were invented by two Jewish guys, but we don’t go around calling
them Jewish blue jeans. They’re just blue jeans. Will you Shan the Youtube comments I get before you say
nobody’s doing that. But yeah, I don’t think we shouldn’t be doing that. Yeah. And we can, I don’t think we can judge
everything by the youtube comments. Cause they do. Yeah. It’s a generates quick down
there. Sorry everybody. Um, but the larger point I think is you would still have to connect
it to the founding and you can’t do that. And when you look at what the founders talked
about and believed and actually wrote into the founding documents, they really did believe
in the separation of state and church. They were trying to keep religion out of government
and government out of religion. And those were kind of, that was kind of one of the
big ideas that was unique to America. It was the first time that that had been put into
practice. And it was a, I mean, it’s the, it’s the American invention then probably
our biggest contribution to political science. And we ought to be proud of that fact as Americans
proud of the separation of state and church ended proud of its progressive leanings I
think as well. So, uh, if, if indeed the original founders
did not have this belief of, of sort of Christian nationalism as the basis for the United States
of America, and now there is a wing of the American political sphere that does have that
belief, at some point, something made that belief start among a certain wing of the American
political sphere. Where did that start? Where did it come from? Where, where did this idea,
this talking point that became a very prevalent in certain political, uh, circles start from
if not with the actual founders. All right. That, and that’s a fascinating
question. So Christian National Christian nationalism is really this idea that the United
States not only was founded as a Jew, as a Christian nation, but it was founded on Judeo
Christian principles. Yeah. And empathy. The coda to that is that it needs to return to
those principles. So really, and that is the best, the driving, motivating force for Christian
nationalists. They’re trying to get this return, this and its golden age thinking really except
that the problem for them is that we never were founded as a Christian nation. So you
saw it really ry, the rise of Christian nationalism began with sort of the rise of the moral majority
and it wouldn’t, it didn’t really get that name Christian nationalism until the mid two
thousands and it was always sort of this impotent little sideshow, a on the fringes of conservative
politics on the fringes of conservative religion. Uh, but that all changed with the 2016 election
because Donald Trump rode a wave of Christian nationalism into the highest office in the
land. I mean he is not president in spite of his Christian nationalist leanings and
rhetoric, but because of that Christian nationalist rhetoric. Yeah. And that gets us to making this distinction,
which is an important one between someone a bit between Christianity, so to speak, and
Christian nationalism. Because I think as many have obviously pointed out, if you compare
Donald Trump’s philosophy and the way he’s lived his life to the, the sort of Christian
Bible, you see a lot of contradictions there. You see a lot of problems. But ultimately,
most evangelical Christians did vote for Donald Trump. And it seems to me, Andrew, and correct
me if I’m drawing a wrong, that underlying it, is that even though Donald Trump may not
have personally lived his life as a Christian, the nationalistic undertones of Donald Trump’s
campaign are in line with this broader idea of Christian nationalism. That seems to be
kind of separate from one identifying as a baptist or, or, or as an evangelical for example. No, that’s absolutely right. And it’s really
important that people understand that the number one predictor of whether or not somebody
would vote for Donald Trump and the 2016 election was not political party and it was not their
religion. Uh, I wasn’t even whether or not they were racists, socioeconomic status, none
of that. The number one predictor was whether or not somebody believed that the United States
was a Christian nation. So Christian nationalism was the best indicator of whether or not somebody
was, would have been a Donald Trump voter in the 2016 election. That that is pretty
iron clad. Now, Andrew Whitehead out of the University of Clemson, uh, has done a number
of studies on this. It’s, it’s very clear. So Trump wasn’t tapping into even the Republican
party or even into the Evangelical Movement. There’s just happens to be a huge overlap
between those two and Christian nationalism. That was really what he was tapping into to
win this election. What about this? A little more, um, amorphous
idea of the, you, you alluded to it already, Judeo Christian values, which is we can, we
can slice and dice the exact religions of the founders. We can talk about separation
of church and state in some kind of formal or legal sense, but it’s undeniable. Some
will say that the sort of fundamental moral infrastructure of the United States was based
on the Judeo Christian. And really to that means Christian because there were almost
no Jews who were part of this group. Mostly Christian people. Uh, Christian Christian.
In terms of the values, again, not in terms of necessarily identifying as Baptist or whatever
the case may be, who said, we want to leave England and settle the new world in order
to have full religious freedom. How do we take on that argument, which is a little bit
more nebulous and blurry? And that’s exactly what I tried to do in the
founding myth. And it is more nebulous and blurry and that’s why it’s the fallback position
if you can push back on, were not founded as a Christian nation. The next argument you
always get is, well, I really meant we were founded on Judeo Christian principles and
that’s really what the founding myth pushes back on. And so what I did was I actually
compared the Judeo Christian principles from the Bible. I looked at every one of the 10
commandments and then I compare those to the founding principles of the United States to
those elements of political science and political philosophy that the founders used to actually
build this country. And I, I, what I discovered was not just that Judeo Christian principles
didn’t influence the founding, but that they’re fundamentally opposed to the founding of the
United States. To give like a one or two examples of that if you can. I mean, the best example would be let’s just
focus on the first, first commandment. The first commandment is I am the Lord your God.
You shall have no other gods before me. It runs completely counter to one of our founding
principles. Religious Liberty. You can worship, no god, you can worship a hundred. God’s,
uh, you get to have free religious liberty in this, in this country. And if you were
to follow the 10 commandments, you only get to worship that biblical God. And that’s it.
So there’s this fundamental conflict. So it’s not only that we weren’t founded on Judeo
Christian values or principles, but it’s a good thing we weren’t otherwise, we wouldn’t
have the values and the freedoms that we so cherished today. So if we decided to cherry pick only the areas
in which maybe there does seem to be significant overlap between the sort of founding values
in Christianity, just as a thought experiment for a second, um, we then get to the problem
of sort of correlation and causation. And I’ve actually heard a number of, of, uh, of
thinkers point out that, um, just because, uh, most of the individuals who made big advancements
in, for example, stone tools, a metal tools maybe is a better example, were adherents
to a certain religion. That doesn’t really give us any causal case for the religion being
a factor. It may just be that at the time there was a sort of default to a particular
religious belief, so to speak. A lot of the values that do seem to overlap between the
founders of the u s and Christianity are values that existed much more than 5,000 years ago
in human societies. Anyway. So then the question is, are they really even Christian values? And, and that’s a really excellent point.
And it is one that I do make in the founding myth in a couple of different places. Uh,
one thing that we often hear is, well the United States was founded on the golden rule
and I think that’s a hard argument to make actually, but I just assume for the sake of
argument in the book that that is true. But then the next question is, well, is the golden
rule really a Christian principle in my argument is that it’s not, this is a universal human
principle that every successful society we know of has developed on its own. I mean,
a two, three, four year old child can understand the idea of reciprocal morality. It’s really
not a difficult concept. And to allow Christian Christianity or even Christian nationalism
to claim it as its own is, is to me a form of arrogance that, that, uh, I don’t think
we should allow to stand. Can you talk a little bit about slogans? Like
in God, we trust on money or one nation under God or the addition of a, of a reference to
God in the pledge of allegiance and the role that those slogans have in perpetuating these
ideas of the United States as a Christian nation. I mean, they have a huge role in perpetuating
that myth and the role is deliberate. Uh, so you know, one thing that I think maybe
our side is pretty good at when it comes to pushing back on those, those mottoes is pointing
out that none of those are from the founding generation. But then we tend to leave it at
that. And in the founding myth, I really wanted to go beyond that. I, so I explore how these
phrases entered our vernacular and it turns out that they were deliberately put there
during times of national fear and strife when you had a few, a very few, a handful in each
case, Christians, Christian nationalists, we would call them today trying to use their
public office to promote their personal religion. Uh, so, you know, you have this happening
during the height of the civil war when the country’s literally tearing itself apart and
people aren’t paying attention to what’s being inscribed on the coinage. And yet basically three guys responsible for
getting it all in there at that point. Uh, the same thing was happening in the 1950s
where we ended up with the national day of prayer and under God in the pledge that it
was this time of national fear. And so it’s not just that they’re taking advantage of
a country that’s scared and fearful, but they’re also wiping out unifying sentiments with religion,
which tends to be really divisive, you know. And so our original defacto motto was e Pluribus
Unum from one people, uh, or from one from many people, one nation from many states,
one country. And they wiped that out with, in God we trust. And the same thing happened
with the pledge of allegiance. It used to read one nation individual, indivisible, which
is this beautiful sentiment. And then they’re literally dividing the indivisible with God.
Uh, so it’s not just, they’re taking advantage of times of fear and strife. And then they’re
wiping out unifying sentiments to promote their personal religion. This is Shay seems way bigger to me than partisan
politics in the sense that, okay, I mean there are candidates whose philosophy is, uh, more
of a departure from the sort of thinking that gets you to Christian nationalism. So, so
there are differences. I’m not pretending that Trump and Biden and Bernie are all sort
of like the same on this, but, but in a sense, this is a much bigger cultural thing. This
relates to the courts and the supreme court in ways that that kind of transcend many decades.
So how does something like this change in a country when who we elect is only like a
small piece of it? And you’re, you’re absolutely right. And right
now it’s infecting all kinds of policy policy. We saw it in the Muslim ban education policy.
Betsy devoss is essentially trying to dismantle public education. Uh, all of those are on
the back of Christian nationalism, our foreign policy. We’re seeing and you are right that
courts judges and not just Trump judges are deciding cases based on some of the myths
and the lies that I try to expose in my book. But you’re also right to say that it’s bigger
because at its most basic level, what this is is an attempt to redefine what it is to
be an American. They are trying to say that to be an American, you have to be a Christian
and to be a Christian is to be an American. And once they’ve redefined the American identity
like that, they’re going to redefine all of our laws accordingly. And to me, that is one
of the central reasons why I say that Christian nationalism is an American. It’s not just
that those Judeo Christian principles often are directly opposed to our founding values.
It’s that this entire movement is meant to redefine what it is to be an American in an
American way. We’ve been talking a lot about the content
of Andrew Seidel’s new book, the founding myth, why Christian nationalism is UNAMERICAN, but there’s much more a great stuff in it.
Andrew always great to talk to you and I really appreciate your time, David. Thank you so
much. It’s always a pleasure.

100 thoughts on “America is Not a Christian Nation

  1. Why did the Roman Empire collapsed four hundred years after the bith of Christian religion ? Same causes often produces same effects… food for thought.

  2. I was raised Catholic, and people like my church are the reason church and state absolutely should be separated.

  3. Theocracy and freedom doesn't mix. Can't live together. Just like capitalism and democracy. Only a lie can make ppl belief in this crap. It can't live together.

  4. What is jewdeo Christian culture? Not a culture we had before Wwii. And then politician took a dump on it to try and unite people undersome b.s. self serving adjenda the want to use it for to fill there pockets.

  5. When "In God We Trust" is directly written on Currency, there cannot be a separation of church and state!

  6. A christian nation would favor christianity in it's laws
    A secular nation would make no laws respecting the establishment of religion or inhibiting the free exercise thereof.

  7. As a christian I LOVED this. I would also like to add how Christian Nationalism is destroying Christianity. I started realizing this well before DT got on the scene, but it has become so nauseating now. I want to scream from the rooftops to my "brothers and sisters" listen up people! Why do you think there were The Crusades? The Inquisition? And on and on and on. It's about fear! It's about manipulation! It's about money! It's about power! And you're falling into that! You're free to love all cultures, people of all faiths, any sexual orientation! You are free to love and care for the downtrodden and the poor! With that said there are some amazing churches where I live that are standing up against Trump and Christian Nationalism. It makes me wonder if churches that stand up against this will start being threatened and possibly lose their tax exempt status. I would like to end with an amazing quote: "I don’t want to see religious bigotry in any form. It would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it." Billy Graham. Thank you David, I love your show.

  8. This is chilling s#*t. And they are succeeding with many of their agendas. Slowly, our great country is turning into a Right Wing Theocracy. I am sure the Founding Fathers would weep at our ignorance if they could see this….

  9. I haven't even watched 5 minutes yet and, as a Christian, I'm ECSTATIC you're discussing this. Thank you!

  10. And yet here we are, a predominantly Christian nation. The Bible still outsells any other book in the world. I'm not a nationalist but I am a Christian. I didn't vote for DJT and I don't believe he's a Christian. I don't really care if I'm hated, they hated Jesus too. We did have the Puritans and a lot of humble Christians helped build this nation. I am eagerly looking forward to Christ's return, the world has gotten more evil and mean, the daily news attests to that, drugs, immortality, crazy shooting sprees, crime, family murders. Just think about your childhood, and then compare it to today. Jesus said He is THE WAY, THE LIFE, AND THE TRUTH. Sad for the sacrilegious comments here, no civility. For David being a Jew, he sure likes to drum up hate for Christians. He forgets how hatred for Jews got drummed up and fed and infused the populace until it got real and caused 6 million to die.

  11. I usually never comment, but i just want to say this video was excellent. Ive had this argument with so many people and seeing the whole argument laid out like this was great. Keep up the good work

  12. Sorry folks you have a sht load of Christian s who will never buy in to your nonsense…we got too many believers for you to win that battle..good fck'en luck
    You can enjoy that fact every time you open your wallet and see " in God we trust " on your "American " currency. that

  13. I don't know, all those anti-abortion bills look like Christian Evangelism not Christian Nationalism

  14. america started as a maçonic nation… not as a Christian nation…we the Portuguese did, 900 years ago the son of the second daughter of the king of Leon, decided that he wanted a country for himself, no just being a vassal of his future cousin king, so with the help of the crusaders he jump-started what would be the first nation to be formed a Christian nation, he even pledged allegiance to the pope, this maintained like this until the Republican revolution that separated Church from the state, today even if Catholic is 80% of the population, Portugal is a country without official religion, with entire freedom of choice…and our constitution is the only one in the world that has inscribed socialist goals…

  15. "And now I, Jacob, speak unto you again, my beloved brethren, concerning this righteous branch of which I have spoken. For behold, the promises which we have obtained are promises unto us according to the flesh; wherefore, as it has been shown unto me that many of our children shall perish in the flesh because of unbelief, nevertheless, God will be merciful unto many; and our children shall be restored, that they may come to that which will give them the true knowledge of their Redeemer. Wherefore, as I said unto you, it must needs be expedient that Christ—for in the last night the angel spake unto me that this should be his name—should come among the Jews, among those who are the more wicked part of the world; and they shall crucify him—for thus it behooveth our God, and there is none other nation on earth that would crucify their God. For should the mighty miracles be wrought among other nations they would repent, and know that he be their God. But because of priestcrafts and iniquities, they at Jerusalem will stiffen their necks against him, that he be crucified. Wherefore, because of their iniquities, destructions, famines, pestilences, and bloodshed shall come upon them; and they who shall not be destroyed shall be scattered among all nations. But behold, thus saith the Lord God: When the day cometh that they shall believe in me, that I am Christ, then have I covenanted with their fathers that they shall be restored in the flesh, upon the earth, unto the lands of their inheritance. And it shall come to pass that they shall be gathered in from their long dispersion, from the isles of the sea, and from the four parts of the earth; and the nations of the Gentiles shall be great in the eyes of me, saith God, in carrying them forth to the lands of their inheritance. Yea, the kings of the Gentiles shall be nursing fathers unto them, and their queens shall become nursing mothers; wherefore, the promises of the Lord are great unto the Gentiles, for he hath spoken it, and who can dispute? But behold, this land, said God, shall be a land of thine inheritance, and the Gentiles shall be blessed upon the land. And this land shall be a land of liberty unto the Gentiles, and there shall be no kings upon the land, who shall raise up unto the Gentiles. And I will fortify this land against all other nations. And he that fighteth against Zion shall perish, saith God. For he that raiseth up a king against me shall perish, for I, the Lord, the king of heaven, will be their king, and I will be a light unto them forever, that hear my words. Wherefore, for this cause, that my covenants may be fulfilled which I have made unto the children of men, that I will do unto them while they are in the flesh, I must needs destroy the secret works of darkness, and of murders, and of abominations. Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female, shall perish; for they are they who are the whore of all the earth; for they who are not for me are against me, saith our God. For I will fulfil my promises which I have made unto the children of men, that I will do unto them while they are in the flesh—Wherefore, my beloved brethren, thus saith our God: I will afflict thy seed by the hand of the Gentiles; nevertheless, I will soften the hearts of the Gentiles, that they shall be like unto a father to them; wherefore, the Gentiles shall be blessed and numbered among the house of Israel. Wherefore, I will consecrate this land unto thy seed, and them who shall be numbered among thy seed, forever, for the land of their inheritance; for it is a choice land, saith God unto me, above all other lands, wherefore I will have all men that dwell thereon that they shall worship me, saith God. And now, my beloved brethren, seeing that our merciful God has given us so great knowledge concerning these things, let us remember him, and lay aside our sins, and not hang down our heads, for we are not cast off; nevertheless, we have been driven out of the land of our inheritance; but we have been led to a better land, for the Lord has made the sea our path, and we are upon an isle of the sea. But great are the promises of the Lord unto them who are upon the isles of the sea; wherefore as it says isles, there must needs be more than this, and they are inhabited also by our brethren. For behold, the Lord God has led away from time to time from the house of Israel, according to his will and pleasure. And now behold, the Lord remembereth all them who have been broken off, wherefore he remembereth us also. Therefore, cheer up your hearts, and remember that ye are free to act for yourselves—to choose the way of everlasting death or the way of eternal life. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved. Wherefore, may God raise you from death by the power of the resurrection, and also from everlasting death by the power of the atonement, that ye may be received into the eternal kingdom of God, that ye may praise him through grace divine. Amen."

    – 2 Nephi 10:1-25, Book of Mormon ("The Golden Plates")

  16. I think one of the main disconnects between people who believe we are founded on those principles and who don’t is a distinction between the founding of completely different institutions. A large part of the US was founded on Judeo-Christian values, but those were the individual colonies and states themselves. This is apparent given the Salem witch trials. However the Union between these different states and colonies once Great Britain was kicked out was not founded on these principles. This union is what we call the United States. I would also like to add that we are a nation of nations.

  17. This was raised on the "West Wing"; if the US has separation of church and state, why does Red Mass happen in a catholic church?

  18. America is the anti Christian nation. The evangelical counting corpses hide behind the robe of truth (love) to worship ignorance (greed). And they use the Bible as a springboard to perform somersaults to do the exact opposite of love our neighbors and treat others like we want to be treated. The truth said with the wrong intent is worse than all that lies invent.

  19. Chris Hedges wrote a book back in 2006 called: American Fascist/the Christian right and the war on America. He states, and it's very much true, that there's a radical religious movement known as the Dominionist who believe not only that this country was founded in Christian values, it was ordained by god, and it's their godly duty to turn the laws and institutions under total Christian doctrine.
    I'll go so far as to say, the founding fathers, under the definition of democracy, established the government and way of life by virtue of socialistic principles born out of the Enlightenment era and French revolution in congruence with heavy Greek and Roman influences.

  20. Brilliantly done by both gentlemen! The principle of logic and the world of thinkers are thankful to you.

  21. Conservative Evangelicalism is a very new religion, it was founded in the 1900s by a committee funded by oil oligarchs. It's no coincidence you see high levels of this religion in oil states and oil provinces of Canada. The solution is not ridiculing this group, it's getting a PhD in nuclear physics, designing and building new nuclear reactors and electric vehicles, and getting the world out of the grip of the oil industry.

  22. "Even your average 3 year old understands the concept of reciprocal morality."… Beautifully stated retort to the "Golden Rule is a Christian concept".
    ETA: I will be stealing and actively using this.

  23. Democrats won’t be satisfied until Americans are getting raped and beheaded by Muslims in the streets.

  24. It was founded upon the principle of a Divine Creator… "that all men are endowed, by their Creator with certain inalienable rights"…now within this paradigm…Christianity is included…but its not limited to "just" Christianity…this is an infinite universe…as the man said in the video…most of the Founding Fathers were Deist, and I'd add to that Master Masons

  25. i was a hippie the reason i left the liberal agenda was finding the lord lol the liberal media really hates god and i dont like trump lol where do u go

  26. I'm glad he brought up "one nation indivisible" which was actually the key phrase in the Pledge. The purpose of the Pledge was to ensure that people were loyal to the country not just their state. As a teacher I encounter the Pledge on a daily basis and I remain silent during the "under God" portion.

  27. The term Judeo Christian is also a myth which was created roughly at the same time as the creation of Israel.

  28. I'm a proud pagan. To all Christian nationalist who say the constitution is based on the bible, I ask which part of the bible was the first amendment, freedom of religion (OR lack of religion) based on?

  29. The fact that trump became president because of evangelical rhetoric tells you all you need to know about both trump and evangelicals….

  30. The US government just officially recognized the Satanic Temple as a religion with full tax exempt status.

  31. The most dangerous belief is the belief in government. Anyone who wants government doesn’t believe in the natural rights of individuals.

  32. There is no "God inspired" government described in the New Testament. Our government is a republic. All you can take away from the bible is that God's government is a monarchy, and therefore no voting.

  33. The founding fathers did not get "divisive" with God: to them "God" IS the Unifying Principle that works eternally toward It's desired End. Now flip it: the "Unifying Principle"……is God. This goofus has a very limited understanding of religion. Not his forte. He took a weekend jaunt into the field and now he thinks he knows what is buried underneath it. Dave's is a little better, but he is usually pretty respectful while pointing out the stuff that he perceives as destructive. Perhaps that is because he can pretty much only see the destructive, degenerated part. Also known as "Exoteric Religion".

  34. This Evangelical Prayer-Coin Grift Is What the Age of Trump Is All About

  35. The Roman empire was founded by polytheists. Obviously, it should have reverted to those founding beliefs instead of making Christianity the state religion.

  36. Unfortunately, now days, it seems is not the only the written words, or the constitution that seems to count; rather the behaviors and the rewriting of new laws. It looks rather like the irrational xstian behaving SAPIENS are dictating to the rest of us what behaviors they want to force on the rest of us.

  37. Only an idiot thinks we're a Christian nation. There's a difference between most of the people being Christian and the government being Christian.

    If we were truly a Christian nation then Christianity would be the default religion, we'd be ruled by a council of priests, we'd have mandatory calls to prayer and we'd have blasphemy laws which say you can't say anything bad about Jesus. In other words, we'd be Saudi Arabia except Christian.

    Tell that to somebody who insists we're a Christian nation and watch their heads explode.

  38. I don't know how many times I heard in the 80s and 90s "Everyone can tell we are a Christian nation by looking at our money." (In God We Trust) What was interresting is that view was never juxaposed with their view that the eye and pyramid was not Christian and even seen as satanic. Either one point or the other were pointed out separately. So IGWT means Christian nation but an eye and pyramid and other symbols never means we are a satanic nation. Yeah ok.

  39. But unfortunately, Christian extremists are successfully forcing their beliefs into laws imposed on women across the country.

    Yours is one of the most thoughtful of the left video shows, and I eagerly look forward to your reaction to the wave of anti-abortion laws sweeping the US.

  40. The reason people say America is a Christian nation is because the majority of the electorate and members of the government are Christian. It has always been that way. That being said, the Bible states that in ALL, not some, of the WAYS ACKNOWLEDGE HIM(GOD). The left is always running psychs with these strawman deceptive terms. There is no such thing as a Christian nationalist.

  41. I always knew something was off when evangelicals were gaining steam since the 80s, Trump isn't even a Christian but it goes to show they don't care about facts as long as the evangelicals get what they want: Total religious control of this country. It's literally Sharia law, but instead of Muslims it's Christians. It's hard to talk to people because they drank the kool-aid, my facebook feed of family and friends reads more like a cult parroting right wing memes.

    Christians always rubbed off me as low-life opportunists when a crisis is involved. They come of as genuinely caring but awfully flaky when you look to them for help (Joel Olsteen, and other pastors that got rich off the poor and un-educated). It's also attractive to bad people who misconstrue Christ's teachings as a means to judge others yet never atone for their misdeeds in life and the people they hurt along the way. Also said religion worship their savior by slapping Christian decorations all over TWO historically known pegan holidays.

    Evil is too strong of a word to describe, it's more of lack of self-awareness and responsibility and the Bible is the perfect enabler for that kind of reckless behavior. There was a time where even the Republican party was well respected before evangelical bigots started infiltrating their ranks during the civil rights movement leaving the old world Democrats an empty husk for a while.

    Between the flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, and full on Trumpers I feel this country is beyond fucked. We're not the leading nation in anything but lies and tacky hollywood movies now.

  42. When the new President takes the oath of office, he places his hand on ? …….. And our money says In God we trust. lol

  43. The U.S. is not a Christian nation! No kidding!,I get that everytime I turn on the tv and see what they are broadcasting now! I get that everytime I turn on a social platform on internet and read the comments laced with hate,vulgarity,and "ego"!!!

  44. american is not a christian nation and never will be. the native people had a belief system in place all ready tell the crazy christian showed up christianity is a religion of abuse. the only true religion in america is the native peoples way.

  45. No their not Christians but they go around acting like God! Trying to force feed their corrupt sense of righteousness and morality on the rest of the world . Yet if they were to take a good long look inwards they would see what the rest of the world sees? Terrorists that have taken advantage of the American public, for their own self interests all under the American flag and in the name of God? I just hope there is one so all of you that have twisted the system knowing it was wrong have to answer in one way or another?

  46. Considering the first 4 of the 10 commandments contradict the 1st amendment, as alluded to by Mr. Seidel, that's proof that the US was not founded on Judeo-Christian values. But then again, you could argue that the US was founded with slavery and taking land that belonged to someone else and murdering them, those fit in the J-C 'values'. So they've got that going for them.

  47. America is either America, or a christian nation. The constitution only mentions god, there is nothing about America being christian in any way or on any level. The bible doesn't mention America either.

  48. I wonder how many presidents and how many current senators are really atheists but will never admit it because they would lose votes.

  49. Christian Nationalism is a very serious threat to our secular constitutional republic. However there are so many Americans who have been brainwashed into believing this nonsensical bullshit.

  50. The Bible and Jesus are saying that Satan controls the world. John:12: 31, 2.Corinthians4: 3,4 This Verse calls Satan even a God of this world.
    In Luke4: 5 & 6 is written that Satan tries to give Jesus the rule over the world but Jesus denies this offer. Satan can only give what he possesses. Parallel verse in Matthew4: 8,9.
    Read John 12:31 “Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out”. The ruler of this world is clearly Satan considering to the Bible.
    Jesus also says he is not a part of this world and thats why his followers dont fight.
    John17: 16“They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world“.
    John18: 36Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.”

    Republicans and evangelical christians don’t even read the bible. They only have hate against minorities.

  51. There’s a difference between being a “Christian Nation” and understanding that Christianity influenced both the Founders and the Founding. Trying to deny that Christianity had any influence is a falsehood

  52. From my POV , one of the big reasons that there is so much strife and violence around competing religious groups stems from the fact that no religion that claims to have a "god" can coax him out of hiding to prove to everyone just who is right.All religions have a "go between" guy who interprets everything for the lay person. Ya think abuse of power might rear it's ugly head when certain individuals are granted this kind of power? Look around and read historical accounts of wars motivated by religion (most) and be astounded at the way humans will give themselves over to something greater even if they don't really know what that is. Separation of church and state. No brainer.

  53. The USA was nation whose inhabitans happened to be christian.This is no longer the case in 2019
    By the way: what many conservative americans consider christianity is actually a syncretic religion of protestantism, patriotism, and increasingly zionism

  54. Notice how everyone responds about how the Republikkklans are the exact opposite of Christianity. They are considered by most Americans as Fake Christians.

  55. Regarding the Golden Rule for years I've told people many of those so called Judeo-Christian "values" are really universal common sense ideas which permeate all societies.

  56. Patrick Henry

    “It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

  57. Yes, small churches do a lot of good for the local community, but we really need to look out for these huge Mega-Churches run by filthy rich televangelists like Kenneth Copeland. This sack of shit uses religion to basically extort money from poor people. A lot of these televangelists are literally running a criminal enterprise when you think about it. They need to be taxed.

  58. It's great knowing that there are people who fighting to preserve our secular values and to restore as the base of the great USA.

  59. The kingdom of God is not of this world, so in that sense there can be no Christian Nation according to the carnal flesh anyway. But what makes The United States a Christian nation as a matter of practical understanding and what makes the US Constitution a Christian document as a matter of general principle is because it enshrines and establishes the idea of limited government and servant leadership as a matter of law. Other ancient people's like the Greeks saw the advantages of limited government, so, the idea was not invented by Christians nor is the goodness of the concept of limited government only limited to Christians. Or do you think pagans need to live under absolute totalitarianism just so they won't be tainted with ideas that Christians find appealing?

    Matthew 20:
    25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
    26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
    27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

    Mark 10:
    42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
    43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
    44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.

    Luke 22:
    25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
    26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
    27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

  60. I always knew this since I was in 4th grade and studied the constitution. If telling the truth makes me a degenerate proud degenerate.

  61. America WAS a nation of christians but it NEVER was a christian nation.
    "Christian nation" is unbiblical. Even patriotism is unchristian
    "Christianity" in the US, especially on the Protestant side, is another, syncretic religion consisting of Christianity, Americanism, patriotism and hatred.

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